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it. >> reporter: work that means for most of us having to wait longer before you can take off on boeing's new dream plane. if your choice did not win or you want to check out the runner-up, i will have links to them on my page at facebook.com/suzannecnn. fear sweeping through wall street again today, essentially wiping out all of yesterday's big gains. we will get to that in a moment. first, breaking news, three siblings on the run after a crime spree have been captured in colorado after a high speed chase and a crash near the town of pueblo. they are accused of robbing a bank in georgia and the attempted murder of a florida police officer.
joining us on the phone heather cobbler with the colorado police. if you can, tell us exactly how they were spotted and how they were taken into custody. >> well, good morning, first of all. these three suspects were taken into custody after what was about a 20-mile high-speed pursuit. initially this morning a witness said they spotted somebody that matched the description of who we were looking for, and troopers in the area tried to initiate contact on i-25 south of pueblo. it was then they fled and crashed. >> the three of them were considered armed and dangerous. any word on injuries or a shoot-out? >> during the pursuit, there were shots fired at law
enforcement from the suspects. no law enforcement was injured. >> were any of the suspects injured? >> i don't know, we are checking on that. >> right now we have medical personnel on scene, and at least one party is being transported to a medical facility. >> heather, do you know if any weapons were recovered in their vehicle, and any cash, possibly? we know they were suspects in a bank robbery and a shoot-out with police? >> this whole incident is really fresh. it has happened in the last couple of hours this morning. we still have people on scene that are investigating and searching those vehicles. i do know that there were weapons that were recovered after the crash and after the suspects were taken into custody. >> i also understand from the sheriff in pueblo county that they changed the plates on the
car, and had they changed their appearance at all, do you know? had they done anything else to try and blend in? >> that i really can't answer. i know they were driving a white subaru, and they were the two brothers and sister we were looking for for the last few days, and beyond that i don't have descriptions of what the suspects looked like or the vehicle. >> what was the demeanor as they were taken in? >> there were shots fired at the law enforcement officers. >> did they make any statements? >> sorry? >> did they make any statements? >> that i do not know, nor could we release in if they were maken. >> where do we go from here? >> they will be booked in most likely to the pueblo county jail. >> is there any word on how they got -- obviously they had a car. any word of how they may have
gotten from florida and georgia to the state of colorado without being noticed. >> there have been several sightings in the last few days, as far as any of those that are confirmed if it was or wasn't, i think we were in the right time at the right place today. we had great community individuals and spotted them. >> heather, we appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. now to wall street where the fear that seemed to ease yesterday is back in full force right now. alison kosik joining me from the floor of the new york stock exchange. alison, how are things looking there? >> they are looking a little better, randi. we got as low as the dow dropping 460 points, and it has recovered to over 300 points. and the european debt issues are back in the forefront. there are problems in the european banking sector could
spill over here in the united states. and then we have the fear trading, the emotional trading going on. that's what is really behind the huge losses. people feel like they are flying blind. nobody knows what is coming next and don't know where the economy is headed especially after the fed in the statement yesterday said get ready for more slow growth in the economy. the good news is we are not seeing the wild swings, that chaotic trading that we saw yesterday. >> what was behind those swings? yesterday the market was down and then ended up. what exactly is behind the giant swings even though we are not seeing them right now? >> when you saw the giant swings right after the fed came out with the statement, you were really watching wall street digesting that fed's statement. at first they took it negatively and then more positively, and then in a broader sense, you will see the swings because most are computer driven. and when they get to certain
lefls, they trigger more selling and that's why you see the selloffs happen in a matter of minutes. it's computer driven. randi? >> thank you, alison. and then all eyes turn towards the super committee that is supposed to figure all this out by christmas. how to get a meaningful handle on u.s. deficits and debt. we know nine of the 12 lawmakers that will make up the committee. the democratic senators are patty murray, and max baucus and kerry. the republican house members are hensarling, and camp and upton. and the democratic house members, well, pelosi has not told us those yet. and john avalon is the senior politic political columnist. how much does the roster that we have for now matter? >> the appointments we have seen
to date matter a lot. the s&p report was clear. it blamed the downgrade on the political breaksmanship in american politics, and these picks are people with no clear record of bipartisan ship. the members of the gang of six that came to reach across the aisle have been entirely cut out from the super commission because of the principled independence. the only members of the simpson committee are people that voted against its recommendations. it races the question how stupid congressional leaders think they are. they won't notice they are actively punish the folks that took the risk to reach across the aisle, and instead clear party line partisan votes. it's a recipe for political
paralysis. >> harry reid dissed the gang of six. why single out harry reid, and do you think we will end up where we were a couple weeks ago come december? >> it's very hard to see how this group of senators will be able to find a way to really take on the fundamental structural problems. when i wrote that column this morning, we only had harry reid nominees. and patty murray has a political appointment, and max baucus is the head of the budget committee, and a long-record on bipartisansh bipartisanship, and that is not the record you want. the gang of six was the obvious pick for this. those senators had done the hard work. you had liberals like duick durbin, and mcconnell. what message is that sending?
it's the message that the base wants to hear, which is this is going to be more business as usual. forget the rhetoric. this is being set up to fail, and we will see more political paw r paw ral asis. >> john avalon, thank you and great column as well. interesting read. thanks again. >> thank you. next stop, london. will tonight be the night the rioting stops? i will speak with a member of parliament after this break. a lot of times, things are right underneath our feet,
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can you fill in some of the blanks for us? >> a little bit, randi. additional detail we have gotten from the sheriff, officials at the county sheriff in pueblo, county, tell us the incident started at 9:36 local time when the suspects were spotted at a convenience store. this was apparently near exit 74, south of pueblo, around the area of colorado city, colorado. a high-speed chase ensued. they were spotted at a convenience store in a vehicle that had texas plates on it, and the sheriff told me there were indications they changed the license plates. and we're told the chase got up to 100 miles per hour, and as you were told a moment ago the vehicle crashed and rolled. i was told by the county sheriff one of the suspects got out of the vehicle, and i asked if any tried to flee the scene and the sheriff did not have that
information. as we have been reporting, there were shots fired at law enforcement by these suspects. we're told one of the suspects is injured, and the injuries are not life threatening. we're not sure exactly which one is injured. spotted at a convenience store this morning with a white vehicle matching the description that we heard in the last several days. the sheriff indicating to me the suspects changed plates. the speed got up to 100 miles per hour, and the car crashed and rolled, and the suspects, at least one of them got out of the vehicle, and they are all three in custody. they may be getting transported back to pueblo county at this point. >> i don't know how long they might have been in the area. but they might have been spotted at a store buying a tent? >> that's right. last night the fbi in colorado said the suspects based on the
reports they had gotten, the camping supplies, they believe they were headed out to a remote area to evade law enforcement and do camping in some of the remote areas of colorado. so yes, that was a suspicion on the part of law enforcement authorities. but maybe they were making the rounds to try and get additional supplies. the sheriff did tell us they may have been at several stores this morning, and maybe picking up supplies to head out to a remote area in colorado. there's a lot of that out there. if they could have gotten away this morning it may have taken longer to find them. >> and they certainly found them. i am certain there's a big sigh of relief across the nation. very harsh words from the british prime minister as rioting spreads in the uk. we will talk with a member of parliament next.
it's after 6:00 p.m. in britain, and nightfall is coming fast and brits are on edge. they have seen four nights of rioting and looting. >> we needed a fight back, and a fight back is under way. whatever resources the police need, they will get. whatever tactics the police feel they need to employ they will have legal backing to do so. we will do whatever is necessary to restore law and order on to our streets.
>> the violence began in london after a protest over a deadly police shooting, but when cameron sent in 10,000 extra police from other parts of the country, the trouble spread as far north as manchester and liverpool. an 11-year-old boy among those that have been arrested. it's not yet clear if they were deliberately targeted on three run down from a car. i want to get the rundown from a member of parliament. he joins me now by phone from london. the government says this explosion of rioting has nothing to do with the death of mark duggin, do you agree? >> i do agree. what happened on thursday was serious. there are some serious answers
and questions that people need in the coming days, and the initial stages is how the family were treated i am afraid was not good by the police, and they were not told, for example, he died. they found out about it by watching television. nevertheless, the looting, the criminality, and the homelessness caused by burning homes and stores down, and this is not independent chains, but people's livelihoods. this must stop. we must get order back to the streets. this is not the way to conduct yourself. this is, i am afraid,
criminality. >> tell me a little bit about the area so we can have context here? >> i represent here a community with the highest unemployment in london. it's the most diverse community in europe, with over 300 languages spoken. there are challenges here and po poverty, or a bit like chicago, or the bronx or queens in new york. there is a lot of effort to rebuild and turn our community around. following the riots we experienced in 1985. yes, it will always be the case that the death of the young man involving the police will be a sensitive issue. it was a peaceful protest.
what happened on saturday night is totally, totally unacceptable. of course it has its origin in a minority of youth that feel totally excluded from the mainstream and do not have the set of morals the rest of the society have. and there are big questions. we members of the parliament, this there are big questions -- >> mr. lammy, let me ask you about a solution here. i understand there's an emergency session of parliament taking place tomorrow. what will you tell the other members? how will you find a solution to put this to rest? >> well, we need to restore order. the young people are out foxing the police because they are using technology, twitter,
blackberries, and others to communicate among themselves, and there are questions about the technology that the police have that i think we need to get on top of. and cameron has increased the police numbers and that will help substantially to bring order back to our streets. i think we may need some kind of volunteer curfew, so people are not out on the streets and causing harm. those are the things we need to get order back, and once we get order back, we will have to ask questions about how it happened, and the nature of the policing. it's clear to me the lack of policing has led to more criminal damage than was necessary, and this could have been nipped in the bud earlier, and it was not dealt with earlier, and now we're dealing with the aftermath. >> a member of parliament there in london, and you certainly
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ted rollins joins us from the capitol building in madison. democrats don't see the vote as a total loss. right? how is that? >> reporter: obviously they have to spin it in a positive matter. the.the they want to make is after they were so upset in february, their only recourse was a recall. they threatened and organized and made it happen, and they say just those two senators that lost their jobs should send a message to other people, and other states, too, that think about tinkering with labor laws in different states. they say what they accomplished was of note, and they vow to keep fighting and they vow a recall against governor scott walker when he is eligible after his first year in office. >> and then democrats face a similar challenge, right? >> well, the funny thing about this, both sides were calling for recalls, because republicans said because of the 14
democratic senators that left the state, well they should be recalled. they launched successful efforts, and two of the democratic senators that left the state during all this in february will face the same fate next week. if you do the math, if they happen to lose their seats, there will be a zero net gain with all that money spent. both sides are defending their actions, saying this is what their constituents wanted and they made it happen. >> i am wondering how they defend it on voters. all the money spent, it's $30 million. that's mind boggling, considering the job cuts and the state budget short falls. how are the voters reacting to the whole recall? >> well, the voters here are well aware that that $30 billion game in from out of state. this is a labor issue that permeated in other states across the country and the money that came in came in from across the country. there's no way that money could
have been spent for local elections. this was more in wisconsin. they knew the country was watching, and the money makes you shake your head when you talk about the deficits to blow $30 million on the recall elections, it makes some people upset, no doubt. >> yeah, no doubt. ted, thank you. many malnourished children have to walk for days to get the medical attention they need in the middle of the worst drought in years. and what is being done to try and save them? dr. sanjay gupta joins us from the frontlines after the break. [ waves crashing ]
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32 minutes past the hour. let's check headlines and other news you may have missed. just in, the three siblings accused of a georgia bank robbery and the attempted murder of a police officer in florida, have been taken into custody. there was a 20-mile high speed chase on interstate 25 that ended in a crash. all of them in their 20s were considered armed and dangerous. u.s. stocks are down sharply today, wiping out most of the gains from yesterday's rally. take a look at the board there. you can see the dow jones industrial average is down 336 points. the plunge is blamed in part on the resurfacing of fears about europe's on going debt crisis. and then the two california men accused much beating a fan in march both plead guilty. they are each charged with three felonies and arrested in their homes on july 21st, and are
being held on $25,000 bail. the victim, still hospitalized with a traumatic brain injury that has shown recent signs of improveme improvement. and then researchers say a test is based on fetal, and it correctly detects a male fetus, and has a near perfect rate of determining a sex of a child after 20 weeks. the famine in east africa is spreading as aid agencies fears. they are facing death from starvation. many of them are forced to walk for days. sanjay gupta introduces us to
young arrivals that barely made it. >> the sickest of the sick come here, like amed. he is 6 years old and just spent ten days walking under the east african sun. his tiny body robbed of nutrition for too long. his doctor can only hope he arrived in time. >> reporter: what happens to a child like this, if you were not here and he was not at this facility? >> this child probably in a few weeks or so will -- we will have lost this child. >> reporter: when the doctor talks about death by starvation, i can tell you it's neither quick or painless. when you come to a place like this you see it, and you can hear it sometimes as well, and can you also smell it. it's in the air. it's a sweetness that is a deflexion of the body ingesting
itself. little kids simply stop growing. the tools to save him are basic. it's not like they have much choice, but they do work. i want to show you something that is very important here. this is what doctors use. a simple measuring device trying to determine if a kid needs acute medical care. can you tell if a kid is malnutritioned by using this. you put this around her arm, about 10 centimeters down from her shoulder, and you measure this, and if the number comes back below 11, that means a kid is in real trouble. in this case, you can see here, the number is actually about 9.5. that's part of the reason she is getting the feedings through a tube into her nose. amed's was 10.5. 1 in 5 kids will not survive with a reading that low. it's grim duty for the doctor,
the only doctor caring for all of these children. i have three kids, and you have a 5-year-old. how do you do it? how do you see these kids here that are suffering so much? >> it's difficult, especially the suffering they are going to, and what keeps you going is that you have to come back and do something great for them to survive. >> reporter: amed was one of the 6,000 kids on the brink of starvation, but today that may have changed. amed may have been saved. he made it here just in time. >> dr. sanjay gupta joins me now from a feeding camp in kenya. it's so tough to see that children struggling that way. what exactly happens to their
little bodies? >> reporter: well, i don't think there is a dignified way to describe this, randi. you are right, the numbers are extraordinary. 600,000 kids on the brink of death. you think about those numbers. anywhere else in the world if that was happening, it would scream for international headlines, but not here. when you are starving, the body starts to take energy from the liver and fatty tissue, and then takes calories from your muscle, and even your heart muscle, and that's why they become lethargic as they go longer and longer without food, and your temperature and heart rate drops, and they simply stop growing. it's a very tragic way to die. again, there is nothing dignified about it, randi. >> you mention amed, and it looks like he may get through this. but when you think about the
malnutrition and the food shortages, what type of impact does it have on the children that do survive? >> well, you know, that's a very interesting point as well, because after amed, in many as 2,000 people coming to the camps these days, but children that undergo such severe malnutrition at such a young age, even if they get food ultimately, and restore the calories and body weight, and there is a new study that it has a permanent impact on the brain, these children's brains are actually shrunk, and stay shrunk despite being fed. the brain, there is so much being developed at this age, and this lack of nutrition seems to have a life-long effect. >> are there more and more children come into these feeding camps every day? >> reporter: yes, there really
seems to be. and they are trying to expand this area. they are trying to get more aid and resources into this area, but there seems to be two important points. a big world provider announced this week, within the next three weeks they may run out of food and funding and may not be able to continue to supply this particular camp, and the real journey, and some of the kids have to take walking on days on end to get to the camps, it's because the resources are getting into resources where the people are, and that's the biggest key. instead of having them walk to try and bet to some of the resources, we need to get it to where the people need it the most. >> i could not help but notice you asked that doctor that you interviewed, you mentioned he had children and you asked him how difficult the job was. what about for you? you have children yourself. how hard is it for you on a personal note to see these children suffering?
>> reporter: it's impossible, randi. you cannot -- you see your own kids looking back at you when you look in these kids' eyes. these are the world's children, and we cannot feed them. it's very disheartening and frustrating, and i think on a personal level, i think whether you are a parent or not, it's just intolerable. feeding the world's children, this we should be able to do. and here it's just not happening. >> so very sad. hope they get the aid they need. cnn's anderson cooper is reporting on the devastating drought and famine, and tonight he will be live from saw vaomast a new time, 8:00 p.m. eastern. and then celebrities trying to fight to save the millions of starving people. ♪
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call right now. her story is a rags to riches tale like no other. former supermodel was born dirt poor, but she says she never went to bed hungry. if there was no money, somebody in the community would bring them food. now she is the mother of an 11-year-old daughter is speaking out for the hundreds of thousands somali children suffering from starvation. she is very critical of the world's richest countries, who she says failed to deliver on promises of cash for the crisis. as i mentioned, anderson cooper is there, and he spoke to iman
last night. >> my fear, really, is about the children, because we are hearing that 1 million somali children are at stake of losing their lives. i would like to see the arab world, the international community, to step up and start thinking about the food -- the need of food, because that is the urgency of it now. also, what i would like people to know, and want the suburb national community to really think about is that the long term, i want the communities to be able to be able to feed themselves, and i want people to be able to help local communities so that they become self-sufficient so there is no food aid on a constant basis. also importantly, regardless of the conflict and political issue happening in somalia, what is
happening for a fact, for a fact, that is it a humanitarian catastrophe, and this will be remembered as a famine that destroyed generations of children. we have -- i think we are in a place now that we can actually turn it around and nobody knows this more than you, anderson, because you arrived there on the ground, and there's a generation of children that will be wiped out. what i want people to understand, this is a catastrophe that was preventible, but not salvageable. >> well said. you can see more from anderson cooper tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. to find out how you can make a difference to help the victims of the famine in africa, visit cnn.com/impact. and then how a cable giant
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internet access are a way of life for most americans, well, think again. according to the u.s. census, 47% of hispanics and 45% of african-americans have no internet use at home. 29% of white households and 19% of asian homes are without the internet. comcast is launching a new program to bridge the so-called digital divide. internet essentials as it's called will offer low-income families internet assets for $9.95 a month and a voucher to buy a netbook computer.
david cohen is executive vice president of the comcast corporation. david is joining me now from philadelphia for the big eye. david, this sounds like a wonderful program. how will this work and who qualifies? >> thanks very much randi. you've summarized the program perfectly. the eligible families here are those who have a child who is eligible for a free meal under the national school lunch program. it's really that simple. if you live in a household and one of your kids gets a free meal under the national school lunch program, you're eligible to participate. >> and how far of a reach is this? how many families do you hope to help? >> well, comcast, as you know, is the largest cable company in america. we have operations in 39 states and a the district of columbia. we'll be offering this program across our entire footprint starting right now with a back to school season. we estimate that there is
somewhere between 2 1/2 and three million households in the footprint who would be eligible to participate in the program. >> why do you think bridging the digital divide is so critical? >> well, you know, that, of course, is the bottom line question here. i think as we move into the 21st century and our kids are competing against other kids in the country who have access to the internet and kids internationally who have a greater rate of participation than we have in the united states. the basic life skills, the enhancements to the educational experience, access to healthcare, access to vocational opportunities are equalized through access to the internet. but if you have the ability to connect to the internet but you don't subscribe, whether because you don't understand the value or the price or the service or you don't have a computer, you're being deprived of that
equalizing opportunity that a transformative technology like the internet has to offer. i think that's the public policy underpinning, if you will, of all of the efforts that exist in america to try and close the digital divide. to equal eyes opportunity, level the playing field and give every kid in america the opportunity to compete and to succeed regardless of the zip code where they live or the income level of their parents. >> well, we certainly appreciate you coming on and telling us about this. congratulations to you for taking a big step here. maybe other companies and other technology firms will follow your lead. david, thank you. appreciate it. for much more about internet essentials, check out my facebook page at facebook.com/randi kaye, cnn. tune in tomorrow same big eye time, same channel. how do americans really feel about raising taxes when it comes to the deficit reduction
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the new congressional super committee is supposed to figure out a way to get a handle on u.s. deficits and debt. good luck with that, right? paul steinhauser joins me from washington. when it comes to debt reduction, what do americans really want the super committee to do besides clean up the mess? >> reporter: they definitely
want washington to clean up the mess. randi, we asked that and we went in the field and did a poll. check out this brand new results just out today. right off the bat, let's talk about taxes. do americans want increased taxes on the wealthy and on businesses? do they want the committee to do that? take a look there. the answer, at least according to our poll is yes, 63% would be fine if the committee proposed increasing taxes on the wealthy and businesses. randi, definitely a partisan divide. one thing they agree on. go to the next number. no way, no how, they don't want increased taxes on middle class or lower-income americans. you can see there 87% of all americans saying no. it's pretty wide agreement in both parties on that one, randi. >> what's the feeling about spending cuts? >> they like them to a degree. check out this first number here. 57% say yes to spending cuts. whether the super committee should come up with more spending cuts to domestic
programs. you can see only four in ten saying no. but here's the kicker here on this one. when it comes to the entitlement programs, like medicare and social security, you can see right here, americans do not want to see major changes to those programs. so i guess americans are saying yeah, it's okay with spending cuts, but wait, don't touch this, don't touch that. that's what makes it so tough for the super committee as the members are named over the last couple days, randi? >> it makes for interesting polls, though. even if we don't like what's going on, it's interesting to follow. >> it definitely is. >> paul steinhauser thank you. forget about the dramatic rebound yesterday on wall street. fear took over again today sending the dow down more than 350 points in early afternoon trading. at one point, it fell more than 460 points. analysts point the finger at europe's ongoing debt crisis. the s&p 500 dropped 34 points. the nasdaq fell 64 points. right now, if you take a look at the dow, it's still down 284 points. right there on the screen.
three siblings accused of bank robbery and attempted murder in georgia and florida have been captured in colorado. they were the target of a nationwide manhunt. it all came to a crashing halt today. they were spotted at a convenience store in pueblo county, earlier today. police moved in, triggering a high-speed chase on interstate 25 that reached speeds up to 100 miles per hour. it ended when the car rolled over near the town of wall stenburg. one of the suspects was injured. the three have been identified as ryan edward dougherty, his sister, lee grace dougherty and half brother, dylan dougherty stanley. they're accused of robbing a bank in georgia and the attempted murder of a police officer in florida. the pentagon says in the next 24 hours, it will release the names, ages, hometowns and military units of all 30 american troops killed when their chinook helicopter was shot down in afghanistan on saturday. a spokesman says the public announcement has been delayed for security implications.
22 of those killed were navy seouls. we're hearing that the taliban -- that's the word today from the top u.s. commander in afghanistan. general john allen says they were killed in an air strike on monday in the province of war dak. the same area where the helicopter was brought down. allen says the strike killed a taliban leader and the insurgent who fired the grenade that apparently brought it down. several other taliban insurgents also were killed. he says the insurgents were located during an extensive manhunt by special operations forces. to london now. it's just been 7:00 p.m. and a fightback is under way. that's from a furious british prime minister after four straight nights of riots, looting and arson. in his words, despicable violence. >> pockets of our society that are not just broken but frankly, sick. when we see children as young as
12 and 13 looting and laughing, when we see the disgusting sight of an injured young man with people pretending to help him while they are robbing him, it is clear there are things badly wrong in our society. >> the unrest began in london after a protest over a deadly police shooting. when cameron sent in 10,000 extra police from other parts of the country, the trouble spread as far north as manchester and liverpool. hundreds have been arrested as you heard, an 11-year-old boy among men. three men are dead in birmingham run down by a car trying to protect homes and business frs looters. police launched a murder investigation. my colleague dan rivers is in the thick of it. what is the latest? have police tied the deaths directly to the riots that we've been watching? >> reporter: not yet, no. i mean, this is still being investigated. show you the feed here.
this is the kind of police line that's across the road where this ibs dent took place. you can see the local community being held for the moment back up there. it is still tense here. a lot of concerns that this is going to be twisted and manipulated by some elements here into something about race and not about pure criminality and murder effectively, which is what this should be about. if we just show you here, we've got the press line here. down this way is where the incident took place. and that's where the three young men were mowed down by a car that was driven by looters. the young men british pakistani men and the locals say that the car was driven by a black man and that is why there is such concern that this is going to be twisted by some people here and turned into something about race between the two communities which normally, you know, do get along reasonably well.
there have been tensions in the past, but normally the two communities get on well. at the moment, though, things are incredibly tense. we just had a bit of an illustration of how tense they are when the father of one of the young dead men spoke appealing for calm, telling all the people here to go home and calm down. then there was some comment from a black woman here and suddenly the atmosphere changed instantly and the crowd surged towards that black woman. it got very threatening and aggressive. that's an illustration of what a tinderbox it is at the moment. the concern is that there will be some elements here, extreme elements that want to seek revenge for what's happened to these three young men and they will want to do something about that tonight. that's the big concern at the moment. >> dan, i spoke last hour with a member of parliament. we talked a little bit about why this is happening to some extent, that the youth are frustrated with many issues. but does it seem to you, i know that many of the protestors are
considered hooligans of some sort. is there any legitimate protesting going on? >> reporter: i don't think so, no. i mean, i think this -- from what we've seen everywhere and we've traveled fairly extensively around to different place toss get a feel for this. it seems to be just purely about criminality. it's not to do with protesting about the death in tottenham last thursday in that area of north london. a lot of the young people don't even know the name of the guy that was killed in tottenham. it's not about that. this is about pure copycat tunism. people thinking they can steal things and it's their opportunity to kind of profit from a lawless situation. this area now has been, as you can see, absolutely flooded with police. you're talking about a thousand police officers on duty this evening in this area at birmingham. they're hoping that will be
enough to keep a lid on this. but as i say, the other concern now is that because of the different racial dynamics involved in this situation, that this will end up being something about race and not about what was originally happening here, which was about criminality and the three young men were out trying to protect local businesses were looters. that's what -- how this started. now, this has become something different. >> dan, we have a sound bite from a grieving father that i want to share with our viewers. we'll get right back to you. >> i lost my son. blacks, asians, white, we all live in the same community. why do we have to kill one another? what started the riots and what's escalated? why are we doing this? i lost my son. step forward, if you want to lose your sons. otherwise, calm down and go home.
please. >> telling people to go home. there you have this grieving father, dan, trying to instill calm. >> reporter: clear illustration there of -- sorry. yeah. i didn't mean to step on your words there. exactly. appealing for all of the people back here, basically. to go home, to calm down, to try and take the heat out of this situation. actually, that father was brilliant when there was that sudden inflammation of tensions and the crowd sort of surged towards this woman. he immediately jumped up on -- i think on the bonnet of the car and, again, told everyone to calm down and simply said, what are you doing? i've already said i want you to go home. we're grieving for the loss of our son. that seemed to calm things down again fairly quickly. everyone is hoping that they will heed the words and that this won't go any further now. >> dan rivers in birmingham. dan, thank you. now i want to show you something if you are interested in following what's been
happening in london as we are. there is a really cool interactive graphic here on cnn.com. look at this. we have the before and after for the riots in london. look closely at this picture here. this is the before. all you have to do is use your mouse. you can slide along here with me. this is the before picture of this area in london. this is in tottenham where it started. then you can slide back and you can see what these riots have done. the damage there in britain is really just unbelievable. you can go to several photos that we have here for you. i won't get through all of them here. you can see the before and after. it's a fascinating interactive that our folks at cnn.com have set up. check it out if you get a chance. you can see for yourself exactly what is happening there. we are just getting some new pictures in from colorado where those three fugitive siblings were just captured after a high-speed chase and crash. we will show them to you right after this break. [ female announcer ] we're rolling away misperceptions
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we do our best to make that work. deal! my money. my choice. my meineke. we have new pictures that we want to get to now and share with you. these are coming to us from colorado. we've been telling but the three siblings accused of bank robbery and attempted murder. they were captured today in colorado. there was a high-speed chase, about 25 miles on interstate 25 actually. it reached up to 100 miles an hour. you can see here some of the crash scene photos. we know that there was a shootout according to the sheriff's department. told us there was a shootout. colorado state police telling us that as well. the car then crashed. as you can see, we believe that's the car that belonged to the suspects. apparently, they changed the plates. they had been spotted in stores nearby. then they had that high-speed chase. it ended when the car rolled over near a town.
the suspects shot at police. they were considered armed and dangerous. it turns out there weren't any injuries to the police. but we are being told that one of the suspects is injured in the case. we're not sure which suspect or how serious those injuries are. just to remind you, these were the three that have been accused of the attempted murder of a police officer in florida and also a bank robbery in georgia. they've been identified as ryan edward dougherty, his sister lee grace dougherty and half brother dylan dougherty stanley. once again, knows are some pretty dramatic photos. you can see the skid marks in the road and the amount of police. they got a pretty good tip and they got them. meanwhile, outrage continues following the beating death of a homeless man in california. one community activist wants several people to lose their jobs. we'll explain, next.
an important follow-up to a story we first brought you last week. i want to warn you, this is a tough story to watch. kelly thomas, a california man homeless and schizophrenic was beaten to death allegedly by six fullerton police officers. this is what he looked like before. that's his picture there in the left of your screen and then after the beating on the right of your screen. barely recognizable. on july 5th, fullerton police responded to reports of a man trying to break into cars near a bus station. witnesses say what began with a serb search of his back back ended with this. they say thomas was kicked, tasered multiple times, hogtied facedown, smashed against the concrete. his head slammed with a flashlight.
thomas fell into a coma and died from his injuries five days later. officers reportedly found some things in thomas' back back that didn't belong to him. police say thomas tried to run from them. crowds of strangers saw what happened, recording what they could with their phones and with surveillance cameras nearby. >> hogtied him. they're like please god, please -- now you may not have been able to neighboring that out at the end there. that was kelly thomas screaming for his dad. a former orange county sheriff's deputy. i spoke with his dad last week. listen to just a bit of that interview. >> when i use the term police officer, i mean it with respect. these were a band of gang members literally, rogue cops.
and i mean that to point out that the good men and women of the fullerton police department as a whole, they're great officers. this is a band of rogue cops that were thinking they're above the law, took it into their own hands under color of authority and brutally beat my son to death. >> we did reach out to the fullerton police department. they issued this brief statement from police chief michael sellers who says "this is tragic for our community. we are in the midst of an investigation." i want to talk now with an entrepreneur and an activist who runs the friends for fullerton's future blog. this is the blog that ran the photo of kelly thomas and has taken up his case. tony, welcome to the show. i want to ask you why you have made this your mission? why take up this cause? >> well, our blog, fullerton's future, is based on holding people accountable in our community. elected and appointed
representatives. >> and so that is why? have you taken up causes like this before? >> no. not murder. we've taken up causes hoping city council accountable for raising water rates or giving away the store to local developers or to people financing city councilmen's elections. murder, this is the first case that i've ever -- i'm not used to this. >> right. i know that you are using the word murder there. i want to point out for viewers that no charges, certainly not murder charges have been filed in this case. but tony, i want to ask you about the district attorney. he has said that he does not see any evidence that the officers meant to kill kelly thomas. what's your take on that? >> well, i'm sure there was no intention of going out there and killing kelly. from what i know is there was a false report put in about kelly breaking into vehicles. there was no vehicle that was
burglarized. he didn't have anything stolen in his backpack. he had basically things that he pulled out of a trash can in his backpack. he wasn't fighting. he was fighting for his life is what he was fighting. he was fighting for his life. he was getting beat up by six big fullerton cops, big guys. and i think they wanted kelly out of there. i don't think there was any burglary that happened. >> the da is also saying, in addition to the fact that he doesn't see any evidence that the officers intended to kill kelly thomas, he's also saying that he hasn't ruled out any charges against the officers. right now, we know that all six officers are on administrative leave. what do you think should be done here? what should be done for these officers? >> well, first of all, i blame the city council. the city waited 30 days, over a month to put these officers on paid administrative leave. i would have gotten them off the streets immediately. they need to be held accountable. they will be held accountable.
>> do you think they should lose their jobs? >> oh, most definitely. definitely. they should probably go to jail. >> well, let's slow down and see what the charges are first. but you also say that you're going to get a petition going for the recall of three city council members. why is that? >> well, because there's -- first of all, the city council is not holding anybody accountable. we're all about holding people accountable. accountability is the most important thing in our community. in the last six months, there's been a laundry list of things -- of criminal behavior, activity that's come out of the fullerton police department. one of the city councilmen, pat mckinley, who is a retired police chief for 16 years, you know, he was running that department for 16 years. there's been a sexual battery, there's been a pill popper, a cop getting busted for popping
pills, credit card theft, stealing ipad theft. just been a number of activities that have happened here in fullerton. we want to hold somebody accountable. that's what's going on. >> we should mention pat mckinley who you mentioned there, the former fullerton police chief and city council member will be joining us a few minutes on the show to tell us his take on the case and respond to the comments that you've made. let's talk about this surveillance tape of the death of kelly thomas. i know that you want the -- all of the surveillance tape released. but ron thomas, who we spoke with, kelly thomas' father, doesn't want that tape released. when we interviewed him, he turned down the sound. he couldn't bear to hear his son yelling "dad dad dad." why is it so important to have this tape released to the public? >> transparency in government and transparency in life is, i believe, in 100% transparency.
there is a video camera that's owned by the city that filmed the whole event and i believe if that video was shown, everybody out there in the community and around the world would see six cops beating up april man lying on the ground begging for his life. i know there's riots going on in london. perhaps the reason why they're not releasing the video is there may be riots in orange county and fullerton. we want to see what really happened, why the city council is not releasing it is beyond me. actually, the reason why i believe it is they know that the truth would come out. you will see six rogue cops beating one man. i'm curious if pat mckinley has seen that video. you should ask him that question. >> we'll ask him that question and why the city may not release the video as well in a couple of minutes when he comes on. tony, thank you very much. keep us posted on what's happening on the case and in the community. thank you.
. i'd like to continue the conversation about kelly thomas now. a california man who was homeless and schizophrenic allegedly beaten to death by six fullerton police officers. now i want to bring in city councilman pat mckinley. councilman, thank you for coming on the show. i'm sure that you heard our interview there with tony bushala. he's trying to get you and others recalled from the city council because you're not demanding that the security camera tape of the beating and eventual death of kelly thomas
that exists be released to the public. what is your response to that? >> well, thank you for the question. number one, it can't be released. if we want to do a complete and thorough investigation. those of us that have been in police work, myself all my life, realize that witnesses' statements oftentimes become tainted, not necessarily because they want them to, but their memories become foggy if they have seen a tape of the incident. if they claim to have seen the incident, if they have some information for us, it's extremely important that there not be something that would taint their memory or change what they would testify to. >> tony bushala specifically said that the city and the police don't want to show that tape because they don't want the public to see six officers beating this man who was tied up on the ground face-down in the cement. you're saying that that's not
why? >> no. certainly not. as a matter of fact, the city council doesn't have any authority to release this tape. the tape is with the district tone's office -- attorney's office and the department of justice. i'm sure they also have the tape. they're reviewing it and making some of their investigative findings off of the tape. now, the district attorney has said, and i'm quoting, i think district attorney properly, that once the investigation is completed, then he will release the tape. the district attorney will release the tape. the city won't do it. >> have you seen the tape yourself? >> no. >> no. why, can you tell me another point that came up in this previous interview, why did the city wait 30 days to put these officers on administrative leave? >> the city doesn't do that. that's a call of the chief of police.
now, i was -- >> why the wait? >> the prior -- i -- i'm not certain of that. the question would have to be posed to the department and the chief of police. i would guess they didn't realize the gravity of the situation and they put the -- i know one officer was suspended immediately. the others were put on some kind of a desk duty until they could determine the gravity. once the -- i'm assuming now that once the chief of police determined the gravity of the situation, then he put all of the officers on administrative leave. you must remember that they're getting paid at this time too. there is a cost factor involved. >> in determining the gravity, though, i have to ask, what gravity is there to determine when you look at the before and after photos of this man. seems to me certainly clear at
least what happened there. but if you were, given all your years on the fullerton police force, if that was you, would you have waited 30 days to look at the gravity of the situation? >> no. >> what do you think should happen to these six officers? >> well, they should receive due process. don't leap to conclusions. number one, the coroner cannot determine the cause of death, as i understand it. now, i've heard the district attorney say that they cannot determine the cause of death. so -- i can tell you this. i've had my eyes bloused a few times myself. facial injuries are not life-threatening. if there were other blows someplace else, that could be life-threatening. the pictures are tragic and look awful. but they would heal.
the cause of death is yet to be determined. >> let me ask you just because you're in a unique position. not only are you a city council member but you are the former fullerton police chief. when you hear a blow to a head with a flashlight, walk us through just briefly here, is that standard behavior for the fullerton police department? i mean, there have to be -- they have to draw the line somewhere. >> certainly not. no blows to the head are taught or encouraged or even -- oftentimes, discipline is a result. now, when you said flashlight, i think that's a leap of faith. i don't think there's a flashlight involved here. i'm guessing. but i think it's the handle of a taser. >> uh-huh. okay. but still, that can't be included in standard behavior or standard department rules, am i
recollect? no matter what it was. >> that's absolutely correct. as a matter of fact, when i was chief of police, we followed my old department los angeles police department's lead in reducing the size of flashlights. we used to have those -- which were good. they were big and -- but we reduced those and used a much smaller flashlight. because what happens, oftentimes is somebody is in a fight and they have something in their hand, they're probably going to use it. so we try to minimize the impact with it. >> do you know any of the officers involved? >> oh, i'm certain i do. i probably hired them all. >> you hired them all you think? >> well, probably. >> how do you feel then considering that officers that you hired might have been involved in this, appear to have been involved in this? >> well, i'm going to guess now. i'm going to guess that there
may be two that are deeply involved. the others, i don't think the investigation will show had any culpability. when people say there were six people beating on one guy, you can't get six people around one guy. you start hitting each other. so witnesses' statements are often very flamboyant, very exaggerated. that's why an investigation, a complete investigation, a thorough investigation is so extremely necessary. >> pat mckinley, council member there in fullerton and former police chief. we appreciate your time and your response to our questions. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. and tomorrow, we'll hear from orange county district attorney on the investigation into the death of kelly thomas. coming up, mexico's dead i drug wars. the cia helping in the fight
secretary of state hillary clinton minces no words when talking about mexico's drug war. she says americans huge appetite for drugs is what's fueling the drug gangs. how far should the u.s. go in helping mexico wage war against the cartels? there are reports the cia has become involved in covert operations across the border and some mexicans say that is going too far. raphael row mow has more? >> a cia agents and retired military personnel secretly work not guilty mexico after the new york times published an article that they are posted at a military base in northern mexico. the mexican government felt pressure to respond. in a statement, the mexican government admits that there's cooperation but doesn't confirm or deny american persons at military bases. we have developed spaces for
analysis, evaluation and exchange of intelligence information, the statement says. adding that foreign personnel in mexico don't carry out operations, nor do they carry weapons. opposition leaders say it's important to remember that mexican law prohibits operations by foreign police or military personnel on mexican soil. >> i believe that it's important to sign cooperation agreements, but there has to be restrictions. there has to be clear rules in how we carry out these agreements, and i don't think that has been the case. it appears to me the new york times has revealed a reality that we already suspected. >> a top mexican official said in july that the arrests of a reputed mercenary for a cartel was made thanks to the exchange of information between the u.s. drug enforcement administration and the mexican federal police. top officials on both sides of the border say mexico and the united states have to work together against drug cartels
and organized crimes. >> you need two to tango. as mexico seeks to shut down the flow of drugs coming into the united states from mexico, we need the support of the united states to shut down the flow of weapons and cash. >> obviously, our demand for drugs is what motivates these drug gangs. i mean, if they didn't think they were going to make a bunch of money across the border, they would go into another line of work. we do share responsibility for the security challenges facing the mexican people. >> raphael romo joins us now. the ties between the u.s. and mexico haven't always been easy. >> that's right. on the one hand, mexican sovereignty laws are very strict. foreign personnel, military police agents are not allowed to carry weapons or operate in mexico. on the other hand, there's a lot of mistrust on the part of american agencies because of corruption in mexico. it has been well-known that
cartels have infiltrated mexican agencies. so there's that element of distrust. there was one operation, failed operation called fast and furious by which the atf allowed the legal sale of weapons in america to mexico and that created a lot of animosity between the two countries. but quickly, they decided to work on it because definitely, one country needs the other to fight against the common problem, which is drug trafficking. >> if they're going to make progress at all. raphael, appreciate it. before you press the send key, we need to warn you about e-mails that could get you fired. that's just ahead. but first, magicians use magic hats to pull objects out of thin air. a new invention could give everyone a similar power. gary tuckman has this technovation. imagine shopping on-line. seeing something you like and then just printing it out.
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take a look here. these are pictures of my next guest. anthony mack and his husband, bradford wells, getting married seven years ago in massachusetts. the two have lived together for 19 years. but anthony, who you see there on the right in these pictures, faces deportation back to his native australia because the federal government, the u.s. federal government refuse toss recognize his marriage to another man. that's right, according to the defense marriage act, immigration benefits only apply to married men and women. although legally married, anthony needs to leave the country in just 15 days. but the story doesn't end there. bradford suffers from advanced
aids. if his husband is deported, he loses his care-giver. the man who has been his lifesaver. if they choose to go to australia together, bradford may have to give up his medical coverage given his preexisting condition. when asked about the denial on anthony's residency, the u.s. citizenship and immigration services cold kdvu pursuant to the attorney general's guidance, the defense of marriage act remains in effect and the executive branch including dhs will continue to enforce it until it's repealed or there's a final judicial determination that it is unconstitutional. the two join me now from san francisco. thank you so much for coming on the show. we're sorry to hear what you're both going through here. bradford, tell us how the two of you met and how you made the decision to get married? >> we met in sidney. i was on vacation. i met anthony. we hit it off pretty well.
we've been together pretty much ever since then. we decided to get married. we're in massachusetts when they decided that -- to legalize same sex marriage. i had always -- i didn't have very much respect for marriage until i realized that i could get married. that changed everything. i asked anthony to marry me and two months later we got married. >> that was seven years ago now. >> seven years ago, yeah. >> and anthony, when did you learn that you first could get deported? >> i learned on the denial last week, that they refused the application or denied the application for spousal immigration. but we've been working on it for many months now, knowing that this day could possibly come. >> how big of a blow was that?
>> it was quite devastating. we spent all of our time together. we're very much in love. we're very committed in our relationship. and so the thought of being separated and then not being able to come back to see him and then having to move and sell all of our things and move to australia, it's quite daunting. quite a daunting task for us. >> bradford, if you could, help me understand your typical day and how much anthony helps you and participates in your care giving. >> typical day, some mornings i need help from him just getting out of bed. some mornings i don't. but he's with me all day. he carries everything for me. he lifts things. he makes life easier for me. he does what he can. keeps my house clean, looks after me. reminds me for taking
medications. helps me cook. i like to do as much as i can. but he helps me out with a lot of the things that are strenuous. >> how will you handle it if he gets deported, knowing that you have this disease? you're in a weakened state. how will you handle it? >> i have no idea. he's my only care-giver. there's no one else out here. if he's gone, i'm alone. my family is scattered throughout the rest of the country. >> if he leaves, i'm going to be here alone and i don't know how i'm going to handle it. >> anthony, why not take bradford with you to australia? >> because of brad's medical condition, all his support, his doctors and everything is set here, his health insurance. coming to australia means moving all of that, all of that support and everything that's already set up here. and it's not practical. but if it must be, then we
surely would have to look at this. but we are hoping that someone will step in and something will be done about the defensive marriage act so we can remain together. >> anthony, one more follow-up. other than being a same sex couple, have you two not fulfilled the visa requirements? >> we fulfill all of the requirements except where we're a same sex couple. we have been very careful to make sure that anthony has upheld condition of every visa he's had. he's not been here illegally once, not engaged in any illegal activity. he's not done things contrary to his visa. if there's a path to him being here by doing the right thing, he's done the right thing the entire time of our relationship. he has been within the law. we've never been here against or contrary to any of his visas or
illegally. >> in the fight to try and turn this around, we know that nancy pe lows i has -- is certainly trying to help you. her office issued a statement through her spokesman, i can read it to you. she will be working to exhaust all appropriate immigration remedies that are currently open to pursue. is that enough for you, though? what would you like to say to the people that are still holding up the defense of marriage act? >> i would like someone to try and uphold the constitution of the united states. i would like equal treatment. i want my marriage to be recognized just like every other marriage in this country is recognized. i have a legal marriage. i'm just hoping that someone will step in, uphold the constitution and hold off on issuing a deportation order against my husband. there's no reno owe. >> it's clear discrimination. no reason why he can't be here. he qualifies under everything we're asking people to emigrate
here for. he doesn't hold a job, he has a business, he employs people. there's no reason for him to be deported. it benefits no one. >> as you said, bradford, you live here, you pay taxes, yet you don't have a right to share your home with the man you love. your husband. anthony, as you look at the calendar and the days tick down, what are you doing right now to try and stay here? >> we are trying our -- lawyers at immigration equality are trying everything possible and looking at several different avenues for appeal against the decision. so we're also looking to the government or to some senators to back us. so in the 15 days that i have left, something will happen. >> he's the optimistic one.
he's the one that hold out the most hope. i'm the more nervous one. >> let's call it nervous optimism and we will see what happens. bradford wells, anthony makk, we appreciate you sharing your story. we wish you well. not only in this fight but bradford in your personal fight as well. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you for your time. americans are not too happy with democrats or republicans right now. which one do they have a lower opinion of? we'll have the details for you right after the break. you name it. i've tried it.
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new polling shows that americans do not have a favorable opinion of either democrats or republicans right now. cnn's senior political editor joins us from washington. mark, i can't say i'm surprised. what does the polling say? >> randi, there's an old saying that the numbers really speak to the truth. let's look at the cnn orc numbers that have been released in the last 24 hours. it speaks to the fact that americans are frustrated with what's going on in washington. let's look at the numbers. 59% unfavorable rating for republicans at this point. this is an all-time low. democrats aren't faring that much better. they're unfavorable rating is 47%. randi, we're about 15 months before the next election. looks like right now that if things were held today, the
election held today, it would be an anti-incumbent election. we would see democrats losing seats. >> how do americans feel about the tea party? >> we talked a lot about their influence on the republican party. surely, they do have a lot of influence. overall, the americans do not have a high opinion of the tea party. let's look at the numbers. their favorable rating is only 31%. we asked the same question back in july and the favorable rating was 37%. we've seen a six-point drop in the past month. this really speaks to the fact that americans are frustrated because they think that not only is washington being torn apart and very divisive, also seeing that across the nation. clearly, some people think or a lot of americans think that the tea party is a divisive movement at this point, randi. >> all right, mark preston on the political desk with an interesting poll numbers. thank you very much. that will do it for me. i hope you have a great aftern